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the president of the united states is back to his old dog and pony show for three weeks after the election he didn't say or do anything. he's back to giving public speeches. with a plan that he knew was going to be rejected by republicans, we actually need the president of the united states to sit down with speaker boehner and have a kfrg. i can't understand this president. he likes to legislate and give speeches but he doesn't like to get involved actively in the legislative pros is he and that's exactly what we need and we haven't heard increase in revenue. we haven't heard what the white house is willing to give up and i think the plan is reductions in spending and what is increasing deficit is not that the rich is not paying enough taxes. >> what is going to come from the left? because david brooks from the "new york times" made this observation. republicans have to realize that they are going to cave on tax rates. the only question is, what do they get in return? as we know, tax rates are a must-have for the president, the revenue there as alfonso was pointing out, revenueses are on t
the president of the united states is back to his old dog and pony show for three weeks after the election he didn't say or do anything. he's back to giving public speeches. with a plan that he knew was going to be rejected by republicans, we actually need the president of the united states to sit down with speaker boehner and have a kfrg. i can't understand this president. he likes to legislate and give speeches but he doesn't like to get involved actively in the legislative pros is he and...
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you know, we got seven weeks between election day and the end the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> okay. >> it's clear he's not pleased from his ha. is the president in danger of going too far? >> no. i think that everyone is amazed that president obama is pursuing an absolutely normal approach to negotiation. people over the last two years got so accustomed to his strategy of almost preemptive concession, you know, you don't like this, i'll give you more. i'll give you more. what obama did is say look here's what i want. this will solve the problem in my view and by the way we still don't have a recovery that's going quickly enough, we still need to goose the economy some. and the republicans are flabbergasted that he's not already making concessions and all he's asking for is okay guys, you say we don't have to raise the top rate, show me how you're going to do it with all these deductions many of which by the way are popular. you want more medicare cuts show me what you want and i think this is a perfectly normal n
you know, we got seven weeks between election day and the end the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> okay. >> it's clear he's not pleased from his ha. is the president in danger of going too far? >> no. i think that everyone is amazed that president obama is pursuing an absolutely normal approach to negotiation. people over the last two years got so accustomed to his strategy of almost preemptive concession, you know, you don't like this,...
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. >> is it fair to go to republicans, many of whom were re-elected just like the president was re-elected in their own districts and say, look, we're going to get specific when it comes to the tax increases we want, but we'll be vague when it comes to stuff that's hard for our side, which is medicare. >> that's a misperception. we propossessed $600 billion in savings. people can take a careful look at them. what we haven't seen from the republicans is a plan to raise rates and revenues. they said they are prepared to raise revenues. but they haven't said how, how much, or who should pay, and haven't proposed what they need on the spending side. we can't figure out what they need. they have to tell us. and then we have to look at it and see if it makes sense for the american people. >> when you look at the economy overall, growth at 2.7% last quarter. how does the economy get out of this slump? what is our economy doing well right now? what are we not doing as well as a country to deal with our economy? >> good question. the economy now is actually looking quite resilient. if you look at w
. >> is it fair to go to republicans, many of whom were re-elected just like the president was re-elected in their own districts and say, look, we're going to get specific when it comes to the tax increases we want, but we'll be vague when it comes to stuff that's hard for our side, which is medicare. >> that's a misperception. we propossessed $600 billion in savings. people can take a careful look at them. what we haven't seen from the republicans is a plan to raise rates and...
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they just won an election. their position on policies are much more popular than the republican positions are and they're willing to go over the cliff. going over the cliff for them is not the worst of all possible worlds. they get the tax position that they want, they get spending cuts that they can basically live with, and obama is capable of managing the economic fallout of it. that's another reason why i think it's important that geithner is the front man here, that geithner is the type of guy who can talk to the street in a way that's very assuring. >> the street, not the streets. >> yeah. >> also if they -- if we go over the cliff, i mean, the republicans then look like they let it happen all for the 2% as michael was saying because that's what this becomes about. that's not something they want. it doesn't put them in a good position. to some degree this is a choreographed dance that has to happen. they cannot come to a deal without a humongous fight. >> this is also the white house i think has managed th
they just won an election. their position on policies are much more popular than the republican positions are and they're willing to go over the cliff. going over the cliff for them is not the worst of all possible worlds. they get the tax position that they want, they get spending cuts that they can basically live with, and obama is capable of managing the economic fallout of it. that's another reason why i think it's important that geithner is the front man here, that geithner is the type of...
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we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the congress then gets its act together to fix it and lower rates on the middle class, you will have the republicans essentially responsible for raising tax rates on the middle class. i can't imagine, again, bill krystal said this yesterday. i can't imagine why the republicans would want to be known as raising tacks xes on t middle class. >> thank you both. next, the president reacts to speaker boehner. stay with us. this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just
we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the...
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they're very upset that their newly elected democratic president morsi is doing things that they not so democratic. he is trying to make it so his decisions are not subject to judicial review. at least six civilians have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence. president obama called his egyptian counterpart yesterday to express concern about the situation that seems to be spinning out of control. he urged president morsi to meet with and negotiate with the opposition. >>> and then there is syria, where nbc news reports the assad regime is preparing chemical weapons that can be loaded onto missiles. and human rights groups say more than 40,000 people have been killed in the last 21 months. we here in america are really intent right now on how we will rewrite our tax code. but if matters in egypt and syria or israel and the palestinian territories which are already getting pretty deadly and tragic and chaotic, if they get worse, the crisis about high end marginal tax cuts will begin to look a lot less like a crisis in comparison. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. in what world
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this has not been the greatest recovery from an election defeat. surely he needs time to lick his wounds. there might be a better way to do it. he did get to see twilight, so i guess he's enjoying himself. >> i want to spare talking about dana's column with dana, but if it were at the apex of his public attention spectrum and he could do a number of things, a number of effective contributions but the first thing he does is rejoin a board. how long will it be before he claims back those tax deductions he çself-willingly rescinded t his tax rate would go up to 14% instead of the 9% it would have been at? how long do you think? >> could be this tax year, no knows. it's clear governor romney has written off politics. otherwise why would he make the gifts comment unless maybe he's in deep denial of what happened. but it's clear, his time as leader of the republican party is done, is over. again, the polls were barely closed on election night before the party was already moving beyond him. a columnist at new york magazine who wrote that there are no ro
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let's solve this. >>> in the spotlight tonight, the aftermath of election 2012. today when the president of the united states was getting briefed by the cia on every known threat in the world, then meeting with the prime minister, then delivering a speech on arms control at the national defense, mitt romney was rejoining the board of marriott international, a hotel chain that is much better managed than mitt romney's presidential campaign. in an article that should have been titled "mitt romney is human after all," "the washington post" reports today that, quote, romney's rapid retreat into seclusion has been marked by repressed emotions, second guessing and perhaps the first time in the overachiever's adult life, sustained boredom. the romney model of don't stop running after your first attempts to get the republican nomination may now be being followed by teas governor rick perry, who, according to politico, has been meeting with donors and is leaving the impression that he is ready to run again. politico has said that governors jindal of louisiana, kasich of o
let's solve this. >>> in the spotlight tonight, the aftermath of election 2012. today when the president of the united states was getting briefed by the cia on every known threat in the world, then meeting with the prime minister, then delivering a speech on arms control at the national defense, mitt romney was rejoining the board of marriott international, a hotel chain that is much better managed than mitt romney's presidential campaign. in an article that should have been titled...
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one man elected to nothing. the fact that saxby chambliss comes up, i don't have to live up to some pledge i made 20 years ago and calls up and has grover on the phone going through the transcript of what he said and he's apologizing for each segment as it. what's going on? a senator has to kiss butt to this guy? >> i have known grover for a long time and i like him and he representing -- >> you're afraid of him too. >> i'm not afraid of him. he represents a cause and he's been amazingly successful because taxes have gone down for a long time because of grover. what do we nou because taxes are automatically going up. republicans understand if you have to cut a deal, you have to cut a deal eventually. i think it's easier to cut a deal after the taxes automatically go up then you're fighting for tax cuts, not tax increases, but we'll see. and the fact of the mat ser that grover is just a vessel for a bigger issue. taxes used to be -- >> he seems to be calling the shots. >> he's not calling the shots. >> last week
one man elected to nothing. the fact that saxby chambliss comes up, i don't have to live up to some pledge i made 20 years ago and calls up and has grover on the phone going through the transcript of what he said and he's apologizing for each segment as it. what's going on? a senator has to kiss butt to this guy? >> i have known grover for a long time and i like him and he representing -- >> you're afraid of him too. >> i'm not afraid of him. he represents a cause and he's...
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the election didn't happen. >> it's incredible. it's amazing watching john boehner reach for anything, simpson/bowles which, by the way, assumed that the tax cuts for the top 2% would be gone, but he forgets about that, and boehner is trying to offer the same exact policies that mitt romney ran and lost on, that the republicans tried to negotiate with the white house. it is incredible. and the only way i can explain this, the only way i can possibly figure it is that maybe boehner feels like he has to protect his caucus to the end, look like he fought until the last dog died for those 2% rates because then when he caves at the end, which he's going to have to do, he can at least say he tried. >> right. by the way, the white house has rejected his latest offer, which is where he was in august of 2011. by the way, here is the details of what boehner put forward. consists of $2.2 trillion in net savings over a decade. it would include $800 billion worth of revenue from changing the tax code. but not by raising rates. by the way, the s
the election didn't happen. >> it's incredible. it's amazing watching john boehner reach for anything, simpson/bowles which, by the way, assumed that the tax cuts for the top 2% would be gone, but he forgets about that, and boehner is trying to offer the same exact policies that mitt romney ran and lost on, that the republicans tried to negotiate with the white house. it is incredible. and the only way i can explain this, the only way i can possibly figure it is that maybe boehner feels...
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they're very upset that their newly elected democratic president morsi is doing things that they not so democratic. he is trying to make it so his decisions are not subject to judicial review. at least six civilians have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence. president obama called his egyptian counterpart yesterday to express concern about the situation that seems to be spinning out of control. he urged president morsi to meet with and negotiate with the opposition. >>> you probably saw a really cool image. a nighttime view of the earth from space. nasa was able to show us this image, thanks to a new satellite equipped with something called visible infrared imaging radiometer suite. but this image of the globe from space is not what you might think it is. we do not have a camera far enough away from earth to get an image of the whole thing. it's a composite knitted together from data taken by the satellite as it made several passes around the earth. lots of the cool pictures you see like of hurricanes from earth are actually composites. anything close enough to the earth
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and to think that we just finished the elections tomorrow, be four weeks ago. this has everything to do with hillary clinton purportedly running for president in 2016. john kerry, whether he's nominated or not sir relevant and people are saying you got staffers up on the hill saying kerry seat would be in danger. please understand barack obama won massachusetts by almost 25 points. it's not like that seat would be in danger, frankly. so this has everything to do with -- this has nothing to do with susan rice. she's qualified. this is all about hillary clinton and whether or not she runs for president in 2016. remember, you've got hillary clinton sitting at 70% of approval rating. you have to start the narrative right now. they can't bash or go after hick even though she's secretary of state. direct responsibility for what happened in benghazi falls under the purview of hillary clinton. susan rice is irrelevant. this is about setting up a narrative for the next four wears to go after hillary clinton in four years. that's what this is all about. >> but so if john
and to think that we just finished the elections tomorrow, be four weeks ago. this has everything to do with hillary clinton purportedly running for president in 2016. john kerry, whether he's nominated or not sir relevant and people are saying you got staffers up on the hill saying kerry seat would be in danger. please understand barack obama won massachusetts by almost 25 points. it's not like that seat would be in danger, frankly. so this has everything to do with -- this has nothing to do...
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so 3% -- he got three points less in this election. i don't think it had anything do with voter suppression and all that kind of stuff. that three points didn't go to republicans because republicans don't -- >> jont, judith to that, because i hear it. >> let me continue to respond. you have had a lot of intro -- >> there's more coming. >> the fact is i think that 3% it didn't go to republicans and it didn't go to the president, but it didn't go to republicans because i think republicans have dropped the ball in terms of trying to establish deeper relationships with these communities, and the fact that someone might have speculation about voter suppression and so forth, it tends to carry a lot more weight -- >> the problem is that there's -- >> no credibility. >> the problem is this isn't speculation. we have admissions by governor crist. he has -- there's no reason for him to lie about the fact that the republican party in florida actually did this so that democrats could lose, and then on top of it really targeted african-americans an
so 3% -- he got three points less in this election. i don't think it had anything do with voter suppression and all that kind of stuff. that three points didn't go to republicans because republicans don't -- >> jont, judith to that, because i hear it. >> let me continue to respond. you have had a lot of intro -- >> there's more coming. >> the fact is i think that 3% it didn't go to republicans and it didn't go to the president, but it didn't go to republicans because i...
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as we learned in the election there's way to look at polls and say i see this. nobody argues when you look at polls about same-sex marriage it's going on a line toward more and more support. younger people favor this. that suggests 10 years, 20 years. everybody knows our country is moving towards this and the only question is what are the very next steps. >> and while you in your open letter i guess to bill clinton say it's time for you to apologize for what you did. doma was an unacceptable piece of legislation, distasteful then, it is beyond distasteful at this point. i'll read an excerpt. and you put it in the context of hillary running for office potentially in 2016. the two of you should be a more integral part of that pride, at the very epicenter of this. it's strange and sad you're not. >> it is sad to me. i think in hillary's case this moved after she went into the secretary of state job. there's a kind of etiquette and tradition of the secretary of state not wading into domestic political matters. i frankly -- i shouldn't say frankly. >> you're definite
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when a party loses an election, the knives come out. right now we're watching the night of the long knives on the right. these stories breaking tonight. right wing senator jim demint, the man behind too many failed right wing senate challengers, christine "i'm not a witch" o'donnell, richard mourdock announced today he's quitting the senate to run the hard right heritage foundation. meanwhile, in the republican house a purge is under way with speaker boehner dumping uncontrollable right wingers from prize committee assignments. they're out because they're too right. so what is too right for the republicans following the defeat this week or their defeat last month? is voting nay in the senate against a handicap rights treaty because it carries the nightmare dread of blue helmets riding black helicopters sweeping into your home school room. is that okay? what's out? what's in in the republican party that just took a licking? bob shrum is a democratic strategist and columnist at the daily beast, and john brabender ran rick santorum's presi
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the election was pretty clear and decisive result. the american people now regard by significant numbers, the republicans as obstructionists. i think they have a very important objective, the republicans do, that is to shed this label of obstructionist. i think there's also a huge incentive for the president as well. he's now in his second term. and history and the american people aren't going to judge him by saying, well, they caused it to fail. they want results, they want production, and i think the republicans have to produce, they both is an interest in doing it. >> former senate majority leader, george mitchell. thank you so much for swinging by. and now that i know you live fairly close by, we'll invite you every other week, perhaps. next time we'll talk baseball. >> how about thanks a lot. >> coming up, jimmy carter never shy to criticize the current players in the middle east peace effort. >> they netanyahu policy needs to change. because he's the first prime minister in the history of the israel that has shifted to a one-sta
the election was pretty clear and decisive result. the american people now regard by significant numbers, the republicans as obstructionists. i think they have a very important objective, the republicans do, that is to shed this label of obstructionist. i think there's also a huge incentive for the president as well. he's now in his second term. and history and the american people aren't going to judge him by saying, well, they caused it to fail. they want results, they want production, and i...
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it as a status quo election. they thought what they had was a huge victory, and they are just -- if you're flying at 35,000 feet, you see the difference between both of them here is babe e boehner is like our margins in the house, you know, we still have a sense of clout. democrats are saying we increased our clout. this offer is meant by boehner to say the first one from geithner was the white house's position was the white house budget. we could have come back with the house gop budget. we're trying to do something that's middle ground. but the white house does not believe it was a status quo election. they believe they were handed a resounding victory. >> absolutely. nbc's luke russert. thanks so much. let's get right to our panel now. msnbc contributor ari melber is with me in the studio, and democratic strategist julian epstein joins us from washington. speaker boehner today hold reporters the president is in la la land. then he presents a counteroffer based on the mythical dynamic scoring system that saves
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failed them in this last election. they want to pivot and make a rebrand of the republican party. those are the folks that are the deciding votes in the republican caucus, enough to combine with democrats who shorten that margin in the house to get something passed. >> an interesting note, erin. congresswoman bass mentioned another possible strategy from democra democrats. earlier told nancy pelosi tsd if speaker boehner refuses to schedule this for a vote, democrats will introduce a discharge petition it to automatically bring to the floor the senate-passed middle class tax cut. even though congresswoman bass and others have expressed opt mit optimism, when you put them in a corner, there's not a guarantee a deal will be made in the time period needed. >> that's right. something like that would certainly fail in the house because, of course, there is a republican majority there. they would pick off some republicans. i don't think you would get enough for something like that to pass. i just spoke to some democratic aid
failed them in this last election. they want to pivot and make a rebrand of the republican party. those are the folks that are the deciding votes in the republican caucus, enough to combine with democrats who shorten that margin in the house to get something passed. >> an interesting note, erin. congresswoman bass mentioned another possible strategy from democra democrats. earlier told nancy pelosi tsd if speaker boehner refuses to schedule this for a vote, democrats will introduce a...
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that's what elections are. collective bargaining. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi pointed out jim demint was one of the ringleaders in voting down the u.n. treaty for people with disabilities this week. >> that was one of the saddest days, so anyone who was a party to that, well, i wish them well wherever they are going and hope that we can have more of our values represented there. >> it was demint and his tea party allies who pushed the country to the brink of default back in 2011. this is what demint told abc news about republicans who tried to strike a debt deal. >> what happens if -- what happens to republicans who go along with a debt ceiling increase? if they go along with the debt ceiling increase without a balanced budget amendment and the kind of stuff you're talking about? >> i think for the most part they're gone. it would be the most toxic vote we could take. >> demint's far right ideology is a key reason nothing gets done in this congress. house speaker john boehner is currently being pres
that's what elections are. collective bargaining. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi pointed out jim demint was one of the ringleaders in voting down the u.n. treaty for people with disabilities this week. >> that was one of the saddest days, so anyone who was a party to that, well, i wish them well wherever they are going and hope that we can have more of our values represented there. >> it was demint and his tea party allies who pushed the country to the brink of...
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they lost the election. they continue to have control of the house but they have lost a lot of ground and have to come to terms with it. this is going to take some time. having watched so many negotiations play out over the years, the ice never breaks until the very last minute. >> you two, thank you so much. good to talk with you as always. >>> pouring rain and heavy storms are heading to nevada after pounding much of northern california. many rivers are expected to crest above flood stage. the rain may be too much, especially in one mountain town. let's go live to miguel almaguer. look at the raging waters behind you. >> reporter: what a difference a day makes. we got here yesterday afternoon and the water level was almost this high. we didn't see the rapids coming down this river and this is not at crest. we're told this river at least in had this area right here in downtown truckee will not flood. it's not expected to flood, but that doesn't mean it won't overflow. here in the county, a state of emergenc
they lost the election. they continue to have control of the house but they have lost a lot of ground and have to come to terms with it. this is going to take some time. having watched so many negotiations play out over the years, the ice never breaks until the very last minute. >> you two, thank you so much. good to talk with you as always. >>> pouring rain and heavy storms are heading to nevada after pounding much of northern california. many rivers are expected to crest above...
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even before we've inaugurated the election of 2012, positioning has begun for election 2016. there was former florida governor jeb bush, just this week making political reporters salivate by getting about his close to the white house as he could without actually being in it. he met with a group of former staffers at a hotel on pennsylvania avenue giving a smile and a coy response when asked about his plans to one day vie to occupy the presidential mansion just up the block. then just two saturdays ago, florida senator marco rubio was showing a little leg in iowa showing this early nominating state where he broke a fundraising record for the governor there. on tuesday night, this week, rubio and another potential gop heir apparent, congressman paul ryan are looking to get their political weight up by laying out their respective road maps for the jack kemp foundation. republicans ready to turn the page are introducing their new class of hopefuls, nice and early. it's a big class. a herd if you will of elephants stampeding toward 2016. there are those whose ethnic heritage alone
even before we've inaugurated the election of 2012, positioning has begun for election 2016. there was former florida governor jeb bush, just this week making political reporters salivate by getting about his close to the white house as he could without actually being in it. he met with a group of former staffers at a hotel on pennsylvania avenue giving a smile and a coy response when asked about his plans to one day vie to occupy the presidential mansion just up the block. then just two...
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and he is getting a lot of backup from people who stood in long lines on election day to elect him. he's well aware of that. but i think that's where his heart is, too. this is not something new. this is something that he campaigned on. and he won on. if you look at the polling numbers, this is what the american people voted for. they said that the upper earners should be paying more. >> i'm curious, though, from the president's perspective, how important is a deal now whether it's just a deal or the deal that he wants in terms of his second term, his overall political power if you will? how does that play out? >> knowing the president as i do, i think it is very important to him that he gets a deal. but i also know that he believes that no deal is better than a bad deal. he also knows that if we go into 2013 and having to deal with this, we have even a better situation because of course the senate has more democrats there. and then we're dealing from a whole different perspective. but i believe very strongly, and i think all of us want a deal. keep in mind, there are some things we
and he is getting a lot of backup from people who stood in long lines on election day to elect him. he's well aware of that. but i think that's where his heart is, too. this is not something new. this is something that he campaigned on. and he won on. if you look at the polling numbers, this is what the american people voted for. they said that the upper earners should be paying more. >> i'm curious, though, from the president's perspective, how important is a deal now whether it's just a...
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. >>> i think they won the election. they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground, and we need to find it quickly. >> good morning. it's monday, december the 3rd here in new york city. the christmas tree all lit up. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle, pulitzer prize-winnering historian jon meacham, author of "thomas jefferson." "fortune's" assistant managing editor leigh gallagher and political analyst, former chairman of the rnc, michael steele. and i'm willie geist. joe and mika have the day off today. there's so much to talk about, but we do have to begin with the ties, if we could. it's not just mike. mike's getting all the focus here this morning, and that is inexcusable. >> could i just say, in the words of speaker john boehner, we need to find common ground here, and we need to do it quick. >> there ain't going to be any between these two ties, my
. >>> i think they won the election. they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground, and we need to find it quickly. >> good morning. it's monday, december the 3rd here in new york city. the christmas tree all lit up. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle, pulitzer prize-winnering historian jon meacham, author of...
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the president has been re-elected. i know he's deeply personally committed to this and we just have to regrip it, i'm afraid. >> what's gone wrong? >> it's partly because there's so much turmoil in the region right now. it's how each side views its own prospects. >> how would you characterize a credible negotiation given the fact as long as we've been alive there's been these problems that keep erupting and never, ever get solved? we've been trying for 20, 30 years. it was 50, 60 years before we got one that worked. and actually back in the year 2000, and again in 2008, you have no option in the end. the only thing that works is to make it credible if we shape the negotiations. give it some shape so that we can see this is where it's going to go. >> dr. brzezinski says that we can never sit back and lit the israelis and palestinians do 0 this by themselves because we'll be waiting forever. >> do you agree with that assessment? >> i do. because of what's happening in egypt, and then you have syria, the region is in tota
the president has been re-elected. i know he's deeply personally committed to this and we just have to regrip it, i'm afraid. >> what's gone wrong? >> it's partly because there's so much turmoil in the region right now. it's how each side views its own prospects. >> how would you characterize a credible negotiation given the fact as long as we've been alive there's been these problems that keep erupting and never, ever get solved? we've been trying for 20, 30 years. it was 50,...
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the muslim brotherhood got elected not because they were islamists, they got elected because they did the social work that mubarak didn't do. they gave scholarships. they afford health care. they actually took care of people, gave them loans, and many other things. all that charity that they did wasranslated and transferred into voting. but when you go to, you know, the parliament and you become president, and also the majority of the parliament, and you tell people i want 20 impose on you islam, here the people will tell you no. and i think one of the most important and beautiful things about this revolution, the people didn't stop believing in the revolution and in the principles of democracy, dignity and a better live. >> rula jebreal, we're going to have to leave it there. >> thank you. >> i will i do hope you will come back. i appreciate you. >>> nelson mandela is in the hospital this saturday afternoon. more on his condition straight ahead. >>> first, though, republicans say don't you dare. democrats propose doing away with the debt ceiling all together. we're going to talk to o
the muslim brotherhood got elected not because they were islamists, they got elected because they did the social work that mubarak didn't do. they gave scholarships. they afford health care. they actually took care of people, gave them loans, and many other things. all that charity that they did wasranslated and transferred into voting. but when you go to, you know, the parliament and you become president, and also the majority of the parliament, and you tell people i want 20 impose on you...
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>> a re-elected barack obama back at number one. two years ago we had hu jintao so it is not automatic the president is at the top but with a kind of mini mandate, four more years and the defacto leader of the free world it is a pretty easy selection of number one. >> angela merkel number two. easy to understand. >> europe goes through germany and germany goes through merkel. >> let's talk about vladimir putin coming in at number three. >> yes. he has been on the list even when he wasn't president because we all know who was still running the show then. he's back up there with a bullet. he's been as high as two on this list. here is somebody who has a u.n. security council permanency, controls a huge oil and gas reserve, has a nuclear tipped army and wields his power very effectively. >> and loves to show his muscles. many times as possible. >> powerful in many ways. that's right. >> of late bill gates has been the rodney dangerfield of silicon valley or seattle. he gets absolutely no respect but you give him plenty. he comes in at
>> a re-elected barack obama back at number one. two years ago we had hu jintao so it is not automatic the president is at the top but with a kind of mini mandate, four more years and the defacto leader of the free world it is a pretty easy selection of number one. >> angela merkel number two. easy to understand. >> europe goes through germany and germany goes through merkel. >> let's talk about vladimir putin coming in at number three. >> yes. he has been on the...
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the president won re-election. this was not something that -- may have hurt the economy and something republicans blamed for. look at the numbers. terrible. not just only as a party but particularly in congress right now. you know, this is not -- this is not a long-term winning game i don't think for republicans to hold up every agreement claiming leverage where they don't have it. i think they need to find in order to do better areas they have got more public support than they seem to have on the issues. 60% according to a new politi politico/george washington university poll believes the top should have an increase in taxes. fighting the public and appear to be ideological doesn't seem to work. certainly didn't in terms of knocking president obama off. >> one thing that also didn't work in 2011 was the president ab do kating the role to nancy pelosi and harry reid. this time around, maybe because he feels he has the mandate, he's doing the negotiations straight on with boehner which i think leads to a better resu
the president won re-election. this was not something that -- may have hurt the economy and something republicans blamed for. look at the numbers. terrible. not just only as a party but particularly in congress right now. you know, this is not -- this is not a long-term winning game i don't think for republicans to hold up every agreement claiming leverage where they don't have it. i think they need to find in order to do better areas they have got more public support than they seem to have on...
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but, of course, most of the actual republicans who were actually elected back then were elected because they ran ads like this. >> congressman brad ellsworth said he would protect our seniors. but when he got to washington, congressman ellsworth voted for the largest cuts in medicare history, over $500 billion. robin carnahan supports $500 billion in medicare cuts, ç hurting seniors most. rand paul doesn't support higher medicare deductibles for seniors. conway distracts with negative ads to hide his support for obama care, which cuts medicare by $500 billion. >> that was 2010. fast forward to this year's election and the same principle carries through. each side tried to convince voters that the other guy wanted to take the hatchet to medicare. >> the biggest, coldest power play of all in obama care came at the expense of the elderly. $716 billion, funneled out of medicare by president obama >> my plan's already extended medicare by nearly a decade. their plan ends medicare as we know it. >> on medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting $716 billion from the program. i can't unders
but, of course, most of the actual republicans who were actually elected back then were elected because they ran ads like this. >> congressman brad ellsworth said he would protect our seniors. but when he got to washington, congressman ellsworth voted for the largest cuts in medicare history, over $500 billion. robin carnahan supports $500 billion in medicare cuts, ç hurting seniors most. rand paul doesn't support higher medicare deductibles for seniors. conway distracts with negative...
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i mean, i won the election. i had the leverage. why give in? well, simply put, i felt sorry for this man. earlier this week i found my way into the congressional cafeteria and what do i see? john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john? >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage. >> they took it and threw it in the garbage. i was so heart broken to hear this i said, look, how about this, john? if you agree to a 1% rate on the top 2 americans, just 2 people, i will dissolve social security. dissolve it. so we took it to the republicans and congress and what do they do? >> invited me to a pizza party. >> and when they got there -- when you got there, sir? >> it was a burned out warehouse. >> did you go inside? >> yes. >> and was there any pizza? >> no. >> and then what happened? >> they jumped out and pelted me with eggs. >> fresh eggs? >> rotten eggs. >> bill, i'll tell you, i feel like john boehner.
i mean, i won the election. i had the leverage. why give in? well, simply put, i felt sorry for this man. earlier this week i found my way into the congressional cafeteria and what do i see? john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john? >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage. >> they took it and threw it in the garbage. i was so heart...
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. >>> the word "election" was the number one search on yahoo! this year, but don't worry because kim kardashian was still the most searched person, just in case you were. >>> and president obama and former president clinton were part of a golfing foursome sunday but no cameras were allowed. these pictures are from when they played last year. it's believed to be the president's third time hitting the links since the election. >>> finally, birther tate tried to force occidental college to release president obama's student records. the judge said no, told her, quote, evidence is not stuff printed from the internet and ordered her to pay the college $4,000 for its trouble. >>> and that is your morning dish of "scrambled politics." >>> and now for a check on wall street this monday morning. the dow opens this week at 13,025 after gaining 3 points friday. the s&p was up a fraction. the nasdaq lost 1. overseas, the nikkei added 12, and the hang seng dropped 262. >>> investors and traders keep tabs on statement out of this week's fiscal cliff talks, the
. >>> the word "election" was the number one search on yahoo! this year, but don't worry because kim kardashian was still the most searched person, just in case you were. >>> and president obama and former president clinton were part of a golfing foursome sunday but no cameras were allowed. these pictures are from when they played last year. it's believed to be the president's third time hitting the links since the election. >>> finally, birther tate tried...
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when do you do election reform? well, i think when there's not an election going on and people are paying attention. i want to thank you for doing this. this has been a story that we have spent countless hours on, leading up to the election. but how do you see the federal government setting standards? what does the l.i.n.e. act do for states like ohio and florida, where there have been problems? >> well, first, thank you for all the work you've done on this. i'll tell you, my heart sank when i saw those lines, because i thought back to the '04 election in ohio. and i don't know if you know this, but i actually stalled thç electoral college vote, because i was so incensed when i learned that in minority precincts in ohio, people waited for 12 hours to vote and many gave up. it was pouring down rain. this is really disen chancement. so the congress has the perfect right to get involved in setting standards. i'm proud that the states are going to do it. good for them. i'm happy they're ready to fix it. but they have t
when do you do election reform? well, i think when there's not an election going on and people are paying attention. i want to thank you for doing this. this has been a story that we have spent countless hours on, leading up to the election. but how do you see the federal government setting standards? what does the l.i.n.e. act do for states like ohio and florida, where there have been problems? >> well, first, thank you for all the work you've done on this. i'll tell you, my heart sank...
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elections have consequences for both sides of the aisle. the president is very aware that he has a responsibility to now go to bat on immigration reform and it seems to be that in the house it's a small step. small private steps are being taken not by the people who put out press releases that don't really say much, but have lovely words to them. they're actually working on it. let's see. piecemeal, i think, will never work. >> margaret. >> i -- i think senator rubio's heart is pure on this, and i think he sees a great big huge bill trying to move it is harder than getting pieces that you can get coalitions on and get something through. you know, on the vote on that 44 point difference, you know, if republicans started speaking to latinos with some respect and not with words like self-deportation and let's fix -- let's close the fence as mccain did. they would be able to hear other parts of the republican message. you can't be sure that all of them are going to -- that they're not all going to be democrats one they're here in & here legal.
elections have consequences for both sides of the aisle. the president is very aware that he has a responsibility to now go to bat on immigration reform and it seems to be that in the house it's a small step. small private steps are being taken not by the people who put out press releases that don't really say much, but have lovely words to them. they're actually working on it. let's see. piecemeal, i think, will never work. >> margaret. >> i -- i think senator rubio's heart is pure...
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but as a gang banger i elected to step out of society's normal bounds, customs, mannerisms and rules. i chose to live in a world where we created our own rules, our own society. >> there wasn't an ounce of denial in frederico's account of his behavior. he was very honest about what he had done. he also utilized poetry to express it. >> it takes a person of character to live a life that's just and as i sit in prison for that life i really lust. i look back over my shoulder amazed at what i see. a life of utter bull [ bleep ], no wonder i'm not free. >> i was really dying to know what had caused a man who had so much obvious potential to commit two murders. >> when i began flirting with crime it started off stealing cars. i knew a couple of guys who stole cars. i would go with them. i wouldn't steal them, myself, but i would go with them. then i learned how to drive. i liked the thrill. so then i started stealing them. got arrested, i'd go to jail. the "d" home. meet other guys in there doing other things, more severe crime. and that's how i begin to evolve as a criminal. >> for munoz,
but as a gang banger i elected to step out of society's normal bounds, customs, mannerisms and rules. i chose to live in a world where we created our own rules, our own society. >> there wasn't an ounce of denial in frederico's account of his behavior. he was very honest about what he had done. he also utilized poetry to express it. >> it takes a person of character to live a life that's just and as i sit in prison for that life i really lust. i look back over my shoulder amazed at...
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is a $2 billion election too expensive? go to facebook.com/newsnation to vote. that will do it for this friday edition of "news nation." i'm craig melvin. "the cycle" is up next. oh...there you go. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! i'm gonna stand up to her! no you're not. i know. you know ronny folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than a witch in a broom factory. get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. let's see if we can get the same item at walmart for less? okay. fijit friends. fifteen bucks on rollback. wow! that's a savings of over 29 bucks! twenty-nine bucks!!?? and they're powered by friendship. see for yourself if you could save on the brands you want. walmart. who have used androgel 1%, there's big news. presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers
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what you're saying is the president wins election, the presidential election, and he wins it on a debate about taxes, post-election exit polling reveals that in excess of 60% of americans support his view that taxes on the top 2% should go up, but your position is, no, we should cut taxes. >> the problem is you think we lost on messaging. i think we lost on tactics. the left knocked on doors, went to communities and talked to them. all the right does is try to use ads and robocalls to try to make our message. the most annoying tactics possible and we think people will believe what we're saying. i don't think people think that the job creators aren't doing enough, they need to be paying more, that we need to go out and say this is the employers fault and think that's going to create jobs. people my age, we are looking for work and we know that we don't get jobs from the government because they're controlled by unions. we want real jobs in the private economy. >> but, ron, don't you think you're being a little bit harsh on the speaker. give the man credit. you know, he spent four years opp
what you're saying is the president wins election, the presidential election, and he wins it on a debate about taxes, post-election exit polling reveals that in excess of 60% of americans support his view that taxes on the top 2% should go up, but your position is, no, we should cut taxes. >> the problem is you think we lost on messaging. i think we lost on tactics. the left knocked on doors, went to communities and talked to them. all the right does is try to use ads and robocalls to try...
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i was re-elected. the american people understand that we have a serious fiscal challenge in our country. we want to meet obligations to the seniors. we have work to do. we have committed to spending cuts. we need the republicans to commit to some revenue while protecting and strengthening the middle class. protect the tax cuts of the middle class and expand opportunity for success in the country, that we really work toward economic growth the right way and a partner. it's got to be spending cuts and revenue. >> what do you feel about this proposal, if you will, that's been floated out by some to deal with the tax cuts now and deal with the other issues of medicare and i bring0u$ medicae because you have concerns about co-pay and other issues that could affect a number of people, not just in your state but of course we know throughout. >> there are a number of issues facing us. i think it's very important to extend the middle class tax cuts and it's great if it's true but we haven't heard speaker boehn
i was re-elected. the american people understand that we have a serious fiscal challenge in our country. we want to meet obligations to the seniors. we have work to do. we have committed to spending cuts. we need the republicans to commit to some revenue while protecting and strengthening the middle class. protect the tax cuts of the middle class and expand opportunity for success in the country, that we really work toward economic growth the right way and a partner. it's got to be spending...
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we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an issue with the poll microphone for the president's address so they've handed him a different microphone, the leaders inside this room can hear exactly what the president is saying but his audio is too low for us to be able to share it with everybody. we're still working on that. when we see and hear about the fact this two-step plan getting something done for the middle class by the end of the year, does this set up the scenario we live in a perpetual state of fiscal cliff loopness, this is the same old dog and pony show every six months to a year fighting over the same things and not big, bold leadership? >> i hope not, certainly if it's not left up to pres
we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an issue with the poll microphone for the president's...
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jobs numbers matter a lot less the month after the election. tiny popularity issues are not the central factor here. it's these negotiations between two guys. >> ayman you're inside the capitol dome right now. what is the sense? were you surprised at the speaker's comments no progress, it was a pleasant conversation, which is a good thing, but the fact thats there's no measurable difference from today versus yesterday? >> yeah. when somebody says if washington they've had a pleasant conversation, that means we got absolutely nothing accomplished but nice to talk to the other guy. i was a little bit surprised because we had heard there was this phone call between the president and speaker on wednesday. yesterday we were told that, in fact, staff negotiations had resumed between obama's staff and the president's -- and the speaker's staff and you saw this very tight coordination of messaging between obama and boehner that indicated they were working together well. then we see this from the speaker today. but after that, the aides came out private
jobs numbers matter a lot less the month after the election. tiny popularity issues are not the central factor here. it's these negotiations between two guys. >> ayman you're inside the capitol dome right now. what is the sense? were you surprised at the speaker's comments no progress, it was a pleasant conversation, which is a good thing, but the fact thats there's no measurable difference from today versus yesterday? >> yeah. when somebody says if washington they've had a pleasant...
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both by the experience with the debt ceiling and with the election. i think if they want to stand their ground, i think they can actually do it. i think that that is, in fact, possible. can they? you know, we'll see. they seem a lot tougher now than they were last time around. don't you think? >> they sound very tough now. chrystia freeland of thomson, and author of "the plutocrats." >>> i promised you, red lobster, olive garden, timely for both, and i will deliver. that is ahead. [ male announcer ] take dayquil... [ ding! ] ...and spend time on the slopes. take alka-seltzer plus cold & cough... [ buzz! ] ...and spend time on the chair. for non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. take dayquil. use nyquil d... [ ding! ] ...and get longer nighttime cough relief. use alka-seltzer plus night cold & flu... [ coughs ] [ buzz! ] [ screams ] ...and you could find yourself... honey? ...on the couch. nyquil d. 50% longer cough and stuffy nose relief. yep. the longer you stay with us, the more you save. and when you switch from another company to us, we even rew
both by the experience with the debt ceiling and with the election. i think if they want to stand their ground, i think they can actually do it. i think that that is, in fact, possible. can they? you know, we'll see. they seem a lot tougher now than they were last time around. don't you think? >> they sound very tough now. chrystia freeland of thomson, and author of "the plutocrats." >>> i promised you, red lobster, olive garden, timely for both, and i will deliver....
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going into the election, this is what we were telling you. mitt romney needed to do this well in the typical gop strongholds. evangelical centers, tractor country, mormon, look at this. he did out perform bush in all of these areas. all of these areas. he increased bush's margins or stayed the same in the key republican areas. and if you look at this, for president obama versus john kerry, again looking at this through '04 and the 12 lens the president did the same thing. topped him by five points in the industrial metropolis counties and increased the campus centers by a point in those counties. in fact, it was not a surprise. according to the director of the patchwork nation project he was on the show back in july and here is what he said about where the election would be won and lost. >> i can tell you right now with a pretty good degree of certainty how nine of the types are going to go in the fall. i mean, i know which ones are going to go democratic and republican. it isn't complicated. there are a couple -- but it is about the margins
going into the election, this is what we were telling you. mitt romney needed to do this well in the typical gop strongholds. evangelical centers, tractor country, mormon, look at this. he did out perform bush in all of these areas. all of these areas. he increased bush's margins or stayed the same in the key republican areas. and if you look at this, for president obama versus john kerry, again looking at this through '04 and the 12 lens the president did the same thing. topped him by five...
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both by the experience with the debt ceiling and with the election. i think if they want to stand their ground, i think they can actually do it. i think that that is, in fact, possible. can they? you know, we'll see. they seem a lot tougher now than they were last time around. don't you think? >> they sound very tough now. chrystia freeland of thomson, and author of "the plutocrats." >>> i promised, red lobster, olive garden, timely for both, and i will deliver. that is ahead. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the mercedes-benz winter event is back, with the perfect vehicle that's just right for you, no matter which list you're on. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 c250 for $349 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. and his new boss told him two things -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide h
both by the experience with the debt ceiling and with the election. i think if they want to stand their ground, i think they can actually do it. i think that that is, in fact, possible. can they? you know, we'll see. they seem a lot tougher now than they were last time around. don't you think? >> they sound very tough now. chrystia freeland of thomson, and author of "the plutocrats." >>> i promised, red lobster, olive garden, timely for both, and i will deliver. that is...